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PostPosted: January 18th, 2012, 9:00 am 
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Extra Credits: Stand Together

This week we look at SOPA and PIPA.

Sign a petition to have the ESA remove their support from SOPA/PIPA here - http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-the-esa-petition-and-boycott-e3

Ask your favorite gaming websites and youtube channel to join the cause by not attending and covering E3 this year until the ESA changes their stance on SOPA and PIPA!

If they truly apposed this legislation the last thing they want to do is support an entity that spent $190,000 on PIPA lobbying.



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Thank you guys for this episode. I've linked to it from my most recent blog post.

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I'm not really a Doctor but I play one on the internet
and I support a free and open internet,
and I promise not to attend or cover this years E3 unless the ESA drops their support of SOPA, PIPA, or the other one who's name I can never remember...
However as neither a content provider or a member of the industry I realize that this promise is a bit hollow so I also signed the petition.

Good luck guys, an E3 blackout is certainly a bold, but amazing step!

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While the idea is noble, fact is that I doubt many sites (even sites that are anti-SOPA) would do that.

e.g say IGN pulled out of E3 BUT Gamespot still went.
Gamespot would get a billion times more views and money from that content.
IGN (even for doing the right thing) would get screwed over hard time.

Same for many developers, if they pull out then they will most likely end up getting fewer sales.


While I see what you are trying to do and it is in many ways clever, for major sites who would normally make a stack of money from gaming’s biggest event would most likely never dream to pull out unless it happened on a large scale.


Sorry, while meaning well, I think this plan won’t work.


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Been spending the last half hour retweeting the video.

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Here's a question (and I'm sorry if this has been addressed elsewhere on the forum, but I'm new here):

Why is the ESA supporting SOPA? Surely they must have a reason? Trade unions aren't known for just rolling over and accepting wrecking-ball legislation. It's not in their nature.


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JackPipsam wrote:
While the idea is noble, fact is that I doubt many sites (even sites that are anti-SOPA) would do that.
e.g say IGN pulled out of E3 BUT Gamespot still went.
Gamespot would get a billion times more views and money from that content.
IGN (even for doing the right thing) would get screwed over hard time.
Same for many developers, if they pull out then they will most likely end up getting fewer sales.
While I see what you are trying to do and it is in many ways clever, for major sites who would normally make a stack of money from gaming’s biggest event would most likely never dream to pull out unless it happened on a large scale.
Sorry, while meaning well, I think this plan won’t work.

The Big boys may still go but think about all the small press we could stop from going. if even 1/2 the smaller reviewers don't go to E3 that would be a large number! and we are the people of the internet we can do some amazing stuff, don't sell this short!

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JackPipsam wrote:
While the idea is noble, fact is that I doubt many sites (even sites that are anti-SOPA) would do that.

e.g say IGN pulled out of E3 BUT Gamespot still went.
Gamespot would get a billion times more views and money from that content.
IGN (even for doing the right thing) would get screwed over hard time.

Same for many developers, if they pull out then they will most likely end up getting fewer sales.


While I see what you are trying to do and it is in many ways clever, for major sites who would normally make a stack of money from gaming’s biggest event would most likely never dream to pull out unless it happened on a large scale.


Sorry, while meaning well, I think this plan won’t work.


Yes, let's just abandon all of our principals for little green pieces of paper. We don't need all of the coverage and games developers gone we just need to make a stand for what we believe is right. I know I'm willing to spend more money on companies that take a public stand like this against SOPA and the people who support it.

Sorry for the abrasive nature of my post but that kind of talk isn't helpful at all...

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I'm Althalus and I believe in a free internet.

Even though I don't live in the US I oppose SOPA.


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zand97206 wrote:
Yes, let's just abandon all of our principals for little green pieces of paper. We don't need all of the coverage and games developers gone we just need to make a stand for what we believe is right. I know I'm willing to spend more money on companies that take a public stand like this against SOPA and the people who support it.
Sorry for the abrasive nature of my post but that kind of talk isn't helpful at all...

Wow man calm down let's all play nice now. He can say what he wants.

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Geneharper wrote:
Here's a question (and I'm sorry if this has been addressed elsewhere on the forum, but I'm new here):

Why is the ESA supporting SOPA? Surely they must have a reason? Trade unions aren't known for just rolling over and accepting wrecking-ball legislation. It's not in their nature.


They are run by a lot of the AAA industry, in my opinion they won't loose as much from the internet being censored as smaller indie companies and publishers, they can afford TV advertizing. SOPA and PIPA can pretty much completely choke out the indie gaming industry... really it's a clever way to kill the competition.

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They are run by a lot of the AAA industry, in my opinion they won't loose as much from the internet being censored as smaller indie companies and publishers, they can afford TV advertizing. SOPA and PIPA can pretty much completely choke out the indie gaming industry... really it's a clever way to kill the competition.

I know I could not make/sell the games I make if this thing passes. And that would put me out of a job, home, food... Man this thing can't pass!

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I for one will stand, speak out, and sign the petition. If were lucky perhaps this we a can at least pull off something similar to what Operation Rainfall has accomplished, and is still fighting for, if not more because so many people are against it.


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This sort of thing is another reminder that our "free world" is shaped by people with deep pockets and personal agendas. How many people actually die due to this sort of behaviour just look at laws and legislation of the cancer causing, highly addictive tobacco products.

Well never have a fair society when opinions can be bought, facts changed and corporate agendas pushed. The difference with this is its attacking a place where its easy to share your views and communicate with like minded people. Its possible to for the masses to voice opposition directly.

These laws wouldn't even protect IP from piracy in many developing worlds who wont and have no need to honour US law. IP needs protecting and respecting and I think is a cheek that so many corporations want to push legislation under this guise so they can continue to plunder the works of other people. In fact what stupid person coined it intellectual property, you should never own ideas your should share them.

So I stand, what little influence I have I use it. h Have to make a stand some time.


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I have signed different forms and am completely behind fighting SOPA and PIPA and will support people fighting it as well. SOPA/PIPA are bullshit and need to be thrown out the window.

But then, someone wrote that he felt this entire feud sometimes feels like a big marketing scheme.
I can't help but to somewhat agree.


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I seriously hope more game companies follow suit. These guys have some serious balls, and I WILL be getting this game. I don't care if it sucks. I will happily support a company that has integrity. Take note Nintendo, Sony, EA. and more....


That's from one of my co-workers who has to be the pickiest gamer I know of... if he's going to buy a game because of their boycott of E3 then I'm sure there's a lot more people out there who would do the same...

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JackPipsam wrote:
While the idea is noble, fact is that I doubt many sites (even sites that are anti-SOPA) would do that.

e.g say IGN pulled out of E3 BUT Gamespot still went.
Gamespot would get a billion times more views and money from that content.
IGN (even for doing the right thing) would get screwed over hard time.

This is why it's mostly up to viewers to try and make E3 bomb. If we can actually reach enough people to boycott the sites that cover E3 at least for duration of E3, then it will make a difference. If we show to IGN and such that we are willing to go and watch whatever they chose to show instead of E3, along with all the advertisements, they will be willing to do something. We just have to use the internet as a tool we claim it to be to get enough people behind it.

And if we can't, it's not really clear what we are fighting for, you know?



There are also a few somewhat-less-than-ethical approaches. All is fair, etc, but definitely not for discussion on a public forum.


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I, Trystan Perry, writer for www.pikigeek.com, will not cover E3, or any E3 related news, and will attempt to convince my fellow writers to do the same.

I wish I could make more of a difference.

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